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In this episode, I sat down with Zaza Johnson Elsheikh, a seasoned interfaith mediator, to delve into the complexities of mediation in the context of the Sudanese conflict. Zaza shares her personal journey into interfaith mediation, sparked by an incident of bias and misunderstanding, and explores how her unique background equips her to address interfaith issues. The conversation shifts to the ongoing crisis in Sudan, highlighting the ethnic tensions, resource struggles, and the devastating impact of conflict-related sexual violence. Zaza offers a critical perspective on the recent peace talks in Geneva, emphasizing the challenges posed by mediators with vested interests and the misuse of humanitarian aid as a weapon. The discussion also touches on the psychological impact of shame and humiliation in mediation, drawing parallels with commercial disputes. Zaza advocates for a phased approach to peace and justice, drawing lessons from other geopolitical contexts. The episode concludes with a hopeful vision for peaceful coexistence in conflict zones, inspired by historical examples of tolerance and unity.